Andrew Sleigh talks to two designers inventing new ways of making, from the microscopic to the industrial scale. Natsai Audrey Chieza uses synthetic biology to rethink the way textiles are produced, and Madeline Gannon is building tools enabling a more fluid, direct communication between makers and industrial robots.

An interview produced by the Crafts Council innovation strand. Find out more: www.craftscouncil.org.uk/craftinnovation www.natsaiaudrey.co.uk www.atonaton.com www.andrewsleigh.com

Music is by Komiku. http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Komiku/

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