What if anarchism isn’t chaos, but a way of putting human beings back in charge of their own lives? Douglas Rushkoff is joined by former British diplomat Carne Ross, for a conversation about power, democracy, mutual aid, and what it actually takes to change the systems governing our lives.

Ross argues that the means are the ends: we don’t have to wait for a revolution, a new president, or some imagined future society to begin living differently. Instead, meet your neighbors. Share tools. Organize around the needs of your community. Create spaces where everyone affected by a decision has a voice. Rebuild the social relationships that an atomized society has allowed to disappear.

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