I am joined by Mark Biram, co-author with Tim Vickery of a new book on the World Cup from the South American perspective called 'Mundiales'. We look back at how South America, in many ways, created the World Cup as we know it, and what South American success means to countries. We focus on Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina and Colombia.

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Check out Chris Lee's three books:

·      Origin Stories: The Pioneers Who Took Football to the World

·      The Defiant: A History of Football Against Fascism

·      Shades of Green: A Journey into Irish Football

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