Cathy runs through the first half of Ryan Murphy's The Shards with writer and podcaster Rosemary Mac Cabe.

This episode contains spoilers for the first five episodes - we’ll cover episodes six through 9 once the finale has aired. The rest of the season we'll cover on our Patreon page.

The Vogue September issue interview we talked about is here. 

Follow Rosemary on Instagram here, find her podcast Not Without My Sister here, and you can purchase her memoir This is Not About You here.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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