Sixty percent of Americans say they feel scared when they think about the future, and women are more likely than men to feel that way. If your instinct is to push that fear down, breathe through it, or just try to be more fearless, Farnoosh Torabi wants to stop you right there. Because fear, she argues, isn’t the enemy. It’s actually one of the most powerful tools you have, if you know how to listen to it.

This week, Jean sits down with Farnoosh Torabi to talk about her book, A Healthy State of Panic: Follow Your Fears to Build Wealth, Crush Your Career, and Win at Life.

They dig into:

The difference between healthy and unhealthy fear 

The live TV snafu that taught Farnoosh to stop performing and just be herself (and what that has to do with your next big meeting or financial conversation)

Why your fear of money might actually be ingrained, and what to do about it

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