Jonathan Eckert has spent more than three decades watching what happens to people, young and old, when comfort becomes the organizing principle of a life, and in this conversation he draws the line most of us have blurred: the line between happiness that is circumstantial, self-focused, and fleeting, and the joy the Lord actually offers, which is not the absence of struggle but the very fuel that allows us to struggle well. We talk about the frictionless world we have engineered for ourselves and what it is quietly costing our capacity to be human, about why Scripture rarely lets joy stand apart from trial, and about what it means to count it all joy when we meet trials of various kinds, not because the trial is good, but because of what the Lord forms in us when we refuse to run from it.
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