with Brad Lancaster & Andrew Millison
In this Episode - What begins as a simple effort to redirect stormwater becomes a powerful story of ecological restoration, community organizing, and policy change. Brad Lancaster and Andrew Millison discuss how a grassroots, initially "pre-legal" water harvesting project transformed neighborhoods in Tucson, inspired new city policies, and is now influencing communities across the Southwest. They explore how small interventions can create lasting cultural shifts, why regenerative change requires generations of stewardship, and how anyone can become a catalyst for positive change in their own community.
Our Guests: Brad is the author of the books Rainwater Harvesting for Drylands and Beyond, the creator of HarvestingRainwater.com, and co-founder of Neighborhood Foresters.org. These converge through his neighborhood’s rain-irrigated native food forestry efforts in downtown Tucson, AZ. Their work has planted over 1,800 native food-bearing trees and thousands of multi-use understory plants solely watered by the 1.25 million gallons of stormwater they planted in streetside- and in-street rain gardens.
Andrew Millison is an educator and founder of Oregon State University’s Permaculture Design program. He has travelled the Earth documenting impactful stories of land regeneration on his popular YouTube channel, which boasts over 100 million video views. In his 30-year career in Permaculture, he has designed and consulted on numerous projects throughout the world.
Key Topics
- Street-side water harvesting
- Brad Lancaster
- Andrew Millison
- Tucson neighborhood restoration
- Community-led ecological design
- Rainwater harvesting
- Urban heat island mitigation
- Native food forests
- Water policy reform
- Regenerative community development
- Green infrastructure
- Earth Repair Fund
- Neighborhood stewardship
- Permaculture design
Key Questions AnsweredHow did an illegal curb cut become a model for public policy?
A neighborhood experiment redirecting street runoff into planted basins demonstrated measurable environmental and community benefits. Those results convinced city officials to legalize and eventually promote the practice, creating a model now spreading to other cities.
What problems does street-side water harvesting solve?
It reduces flooding, cools neighborhoods, slows traffic, supports native ecosystems, grows food, increases biodiversity, improves walkability, and strengthens neighborhood relationships—all using rainwater that previously became waste.
Why is community participation more important than infrastructure?
Infrastructure creates opportunity, but long-term success depends on residents becoming active stewards. Cultural change happens when people continually care for and improve the systems they've created together.
How has Tucson changed over the past 30 years?
What was once a hot, barren streetscape has become a shaded urban forest filled with native plants, birds, pedestrians, cyclists, and community gathering spaces.
Why focus on native plants?
Native species require less irrigation, survive harsh conditions, support local wildlife, and create resilient landscapes that continue thriving even when maintenance decreases.
What does "pre-legal" mean?
Rather than breaking rules for the sake of rebellion, Brad describes testing practical solutions before regulations existed. Successful demonstrations then became the basis for changing policy.
How do you convince government agencies to support innovation?
By solving their existing problems—flooding, crime, heat, traffic, maintenance costs—and collaborating with receptive allies inside government rather than making demands.
When does a project become a cultural movement?
When it measurably improves people's daily lives, inspires widespread participation, changes public policy, and motivates others to adapt the ideas within their own communities.
Why did Andrew Millison choose to document this story?
Because it represents a proven, decades-long example of regenerative change that others can replicate, offering practical hope instead of theoretical solutions.
What mindset shift do the speakers hope listeners experience?
To begin seeing neighborhoods as living watersheds full of opportunities for regeneration, rather than fixed infrastructure that cannot be improved.
Episode Highlights
- A neighborhood experiment in harvesting street runoff evolved into city-approved infrastructure and inspired policy changes beyond Tucson.
- Water harvesting became a catalyst for cooling neighborhoods, restoring wildlife habitat, calming traffic, and building stronger communities.
- Native food forests transformed once-barren public rights-of-way into productive community commons.
- Brad Lancaster explains how changing policy requires collaboration, persistence, and demonstrating successful models.
- Andrew Millison shares why documenting proven regenerative projects creates hope and motivates action.
- The discussion explores how infrastructure can become a tool for cultural transformation.
- Both guests emphasize that regenerative work is lifelong, requiring continual community participation rather than one-time projects.
- Listeners are encouraged to identify their own community's "acupuncture point"—the small intervention capable of creating widespread positive change.
Resources
Watch the documentary
Learn Rainwater Harvesting
Support the Project
Explore Native Urban Forestry
Learn Permaculture
- Oregon State University Permaculture Program
Books
YouTube
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