"Once a person learns how to develop healthy friendships, romantic relationships, then they no longer need chemicals the way they needed them in the past. In fact, I see substance use disorder as a pathological relationship with a chemical that's actually a substitute for true human intimacy."

Speaker, author and educator Mark Sanders explores his personal connection to the history of African American substance use treatment with host Livia Davis, and discusses  the challenges facing the behavioral health workforce, from funding and collaboration to what emerging leaders need to know as they enter the field.

This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement.

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