In the first two hours, K and Hoi chit chat; then they are joined by Simon Shack the creator of September Clues. Together, the three discuss rocketry for 2 hours, followed by another 2 hours of solar system theory that may entirely negate NASA's claims. Finally, K and Hoi summarize the key points of contention and debate in the new science of rocketry's limitations above the Karman line.
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