My guest this week has been a lot of different people — he grew up a meek kid in Maryland, came out of the closet when he went to school in New York to study illustration, and then had to watch his step when his first job out of college required him to move to Tennessee to work on the religious show Veggie Tales. For a while, he found solace in the fandom of queer anime. And when he was finally able to escape Tennessee, it was to a city and a job where queerness could be celebrated.

We’ll have that conversation in a minute. First a reminder to check out my YouTube channel where I post stories about pop culture history. And head over to my Patreon to watch hours of bonus videos. I just posted a roundup on Patreon of the most downloaded episodes of Sewers in 2021, along with my most watched YouTube videos.

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