Joe Biden is still president, but you wouldn’t know it. Elon Musk and his partner, President-elect Trump, are making it clear that they are already in charge and a government shutdown is on the table. Join moderator Jeffrey Goldberg, Asma Khalid of NPR, Mark Leibovich of The Atlantic, Ashley Parker of The Washington Post and Vivian Salama of The Wall Street Journal to discuss this and more.
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