In this episode, Anna speaks with Dr Jana Norman, Post-Doctoral Research Fellow at Deakin University, Australia. Jana has suffered from rheumatoid arthritis for 20 years, as well as, more recently, Long Covid. In this conversation Anna and Jana explore the role of the body, and of materiality itself, as way of receiving the wisdom of evolutionary intelligence at work in the body and the world. Their conversation covers the lived, bodily experience of fatigue; the exciting science of cell...

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