When we're trying to figure out how to understand humans, we tend to look to our nearest neighbors: bonobos, chimps, monkeys. But our guest Mark Moffett believes that in many ways we're unlike chimps and more aligned with social insects like wasps, and ants.

Mark Moffett is known for documenting new species and behaviors during his exploration of remote places in more than a hundred countries. He is a high school dropout who began doing research in biology in college and went on to complete a PhD at Harvard, studying under the poet-laureate of conservation, Edward O. Wilson.

He is now a research associate at the Smithsonian Institute and an author of books like “The Human Swarm: How Our Societies Arise, Thrive, and Fall Hardcover” and “Adventures Among Ants.”

Mark & Greg discuss the complexity of ant societies, kin selection, the speciation of accents and the pros and cons of war for a society.

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