Welcome to my 20th and final episode of OFF-AIR with Carmen in 2020!  This week’s guest is my girlfriend, Natalie Grant!! Folks have said for years that we could be sisters, and I take this as a very high compliment! Natalie is equal parts hilarious, prone to TMI (like me!), and so full of wisdom. I just love her!!

We recorded this episode in February. Since then, Natalie has released a new project called “No Stranger.” In this pre-pandemic episode, we talk about Team Freedom (something we birthed together), raising teenage girls, and identity and truth in today’s culture.

Natalie and I twin pretty hard, up to and including both of us having COVID this year, just a few weeks apart.

Merry Christmas, and we’ll see you in 2021!







Spanx Faux Leather Leggings 

“James” by Beth Moore

No Stranger

Carmen couldn't contain herself



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