Ben, Charlie and Charles reflect on another disappointing afternoon for England at Twickenham as their winless run stretched to five following a defeat to South Africa.
Was this latest defeat a result of bad tactics, or was it down to individual errors for the Springboks tries? They also address the fitness concerns after Steve Borthwick mentioned his side were not in the right condition when they arrived into camp a month ago.
Elsewhere things are much worse for Wales, they were thrashed by Australia in Cardiff, a result that extends their winless run to 11. Warren Gatland says he will consider his future following the result, so we take a look at who could realistically replace him.
Plus we get into the huge news surrounding a potential breakaway league for the games biggest stars and if any deal can be brokered.
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