In this episode of the Agile Uprising podcast, hosts Andy Cleff and Chris Murman welcome back Ken Rickard for a dive deeper into the concept of sensemaking in organizational change and continuous improvement. Ken discusses the importance of moving beyond frameworks to address complexity with complexity, the power of storytelling and metaphors in change management, and the value of discovery-based approaches. The conversation explores how to define and measure behavioral changes, the challenges of implementing peer-based feedback systems, and the future of Ken's work with Jason Little in expanding on the ideas from their book "The Six Big Ideas of Adaptive Organizations: From Frameworks to Sensemaking" Links Management 3.0 Complexity Thinking: The Six Big Ideas of Adaptive Organizations - From Frameworks to Sensemaking: Contact Info About the Agile Uprising If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us.  Much thanks to the artist  from  who provided us our outro music free-of-charge!  If you like what you heard,     to find more music you might enjoy! If you’d like to join the discussion and share your stories,  please jump into the fray at our  We at the Agile Uprising are committed to being totally free.  However, if you’d like to contribute and help us defray hosting and production costs we do have a .  Who knows, you might even get some surprises in the mail!

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