This conversation features co-hosts Cara Page and Caitlin Breedlove in conversation with organizers Shira Hassan, Mia Mingus and Sonali Sadequee. The conversation came out of the urgency of Black Lives Matter uprisings in Minneapolis, and across the US, to respond to the police murder of George Floyd and this moment of movement building to interrupt white supremacy, policing & state violence, and anti-Blackness. Many of us had reached out to each other, reflecting on the questions; what can abolition, survival and transformation look like in these Covid-Times? This podcast episode is the result; a reflection on the intersection between healing justice and transformative justice. We began with these questions: what are healing and transformative justice? What is the difference between these two frameworks and where do they align? And how are both of these frameworks critical to understanding and practicing abolition work in this moment?
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