Joe and Jimmy bring on their friend David Koch to talk about the value of productivity, and five principles for being more effective in our lives and ministries. David is a smart, funny, and gifted brother we love to listen to, whether it’s about pro wrestling, geek culture, productivity, or the gospel. This is a really good conversation that runs a full hour. Plus, Jimmy bores everyone with the one time Joe might have been wrong. BONUS: Guess the “bad” word David said.


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