Today, we’re celebrating episode #250 on The Conversation Podcast with one of my good friends and favorite guests, Pat Lencioni!Pat is one of the most well known leadership experts in the world who spends his time speaking and writing about leadership, teamwork, and organizational health.Pat and I chat about how to find joy when it doesn’t come naturally, how important it is to see a Christian therapist, and how to know what to say yes and no to.Whether you lead a team or you’re a team of 1, I hope you’ll be as impacted by this conversation as I was!Learn more about The Working Genius here.As I look back on the last 249 episodes, here are just a few of my personal favorites:

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