In this 5th episode of the foundation's weekly show, we focus on the role of art in the world, how both art and design steer values, change perceptions and stimulate scientific thought. Laura, the host of this podcast, leads the conversation with Fanny Breteau, designer and art director at the foundation and Emma Hislop, artist in residence 2020 and tentatively begin to explore the roles writers, poets, painters, designers and artists can play in illustrating and helping to further the transition to a circular economy.

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