What's the best way to teach kids about music? Should we force them to keep having instrument lessons, even if they hate it? And what's it like when Billy Ocean is your children's fake uncle? Answering all these questions is the amazing YolanDa Brown! 

She tells us about her life as an award-winning saxophonist, broadcaster, CBeebies star and mum. We share stories about going on tour with your parents, and the most embarrassing things we've done in the park in the name of content creation. YolanDa gives Helen some dating advice, and we hear how Careless Whisper shaped her destiny. 

You can follow YolanDa on Twitter and Instagram @yolandabrown. Do check out her Band Jam concert, live from 25 March - just go to yolandabrown.com/jointhejam. And you can listen to YolanDa's album via streaming services right now. 

SAFETY NOTICE: This podcast was recorded remotely, which is why it sounds a bit different - sorry about that. We're doing our best, and we'll be back to sitting on Ellie's sofa with our guests as soon as it's safe to do so. 

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