Jon and Cassie met in high school. Jon played guitar and wrote some songs. One day, he was invited to join a band. That band blew up, and the next thing he knew, he was on stage before tens of thousands of screaming teenagers. Money, fame, pressure, and confusion soon followed. Then Jon and Cassie decided to jump off the train of "success" and head down to Costa Rica for a while. Cassie wrote a book about all this, called, Everything is Moving.

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Music: “Brightside of the Sun,” by Basin and Range; “Everyone but You” by Jon Walker and The Young Veins; “Smoke Alarm,” by Carsie Blanton.

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