This week’s feature guests, Chris Cotnoir and Grant Havers are Deep State Radioians. We discuss the future of foreign policy, fitness for, um, older people and why podcasting is not going away anytime soon. Delicious oatmeal, peanut butter power cookies are made. Yes, just the cookie to fuel a workout. Or a dog walk. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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