Felicity Evans and James Williams join former education minister and Welsh Liberal Democrat Kirsty Williams on her farm in Brecon to chat about her life in politics, why she became an MS and what it was like to hold such a prominent position in the Welsh Government during the pandemic.
She tells the team what she plans on doing next and recalls a memorable moment meeting the former US President Barack Obama.
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