What do we do when people close to us no longer believe like we do? What do they need from us – a sermon or a shoulder, or some combination of both? Mike’s guest is Jon Steingard, former lead singer of Christian music artist Hawk Nelson who announced in 2020 that he no longer believed in God. Longtime friends, Mike and Jon talk about what has happened since then and that perhaps a way we love God is in the way we love one another.

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