This conversation with violinist, music educator, yoga instructor, and soon to be therapist Heidi Schaul-Yoder was a fantastic deep dive into topics we never discuss in relation to music education and conservatory training. We talked about anxiety, stress, and musical education, and how educators can create a better, safer learning environment for students. We also discussed how to separate music from your value as a person, how trauma affects our bodies and learning, and so much more.

You can learn more about Heidi and her work at and about the Gestalt Center in New York City at

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