Thanks for bearing with us as some life situations take place! We believe we can do a few more episodes before we have to take another short break. Enjoy this Char-Char & Bobby episode where we discuss a White swing dancer getting interviewed for a New York Times story about a Black swing dancer.

0:00 Btw, Bobby was a journalist

6:15 Bobby is called by the NYT

11:00 Why do they only do two performances for a show they pay thousands for?!?

15:00 Art and access

17:00 Performance in the Lindy Hop scene

30:00 So I'm doing the interview...

34:00 The savior of Lindy Hop

41:00 Two additional concerns

51:00 The article

55:00 The least famous dancer of the most famous group

1:00:00 it raised an eyebrow


Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing.

Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. Our podcast music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our intro and ad music this week is by Barron Ryan, Laurel Ryan's brother (check out, and "We're Back!" song was improvised by Steffanie AK Schilling.  And, the background drumming is by Bobby White.

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