The Civil Service World Podcast

On this week's episode of The Civil Service World Podcast, Jess Bowie and Suzannah Brecknell are talking to Sir Leigh Lewis and John Hutton – Baron Hutton of Furness – about the relationship between ministers and their permanent secretaries.

Hosted by Jess Bowie and Suzannah Brecknell.

With Sir Leigh Lewis and Lord Hutton.

Produced and edited by Nick Hilton for Podot.

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