In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Young-Suk Grace Kim, a professor at University of California at Irvine's School of Education. Dr. Kim begins by defining a theoretical model, outlining its value to teachers as it pertains to literacy instruction. She describes her own interactive dynamic literacy (IDL) model, which seeks to more fully explain reading and writing connections. Dr. Kim emphasizes how reading and writing function as a powerful and closely related system, and examines how this system interacts with developmental phases, linguistic grain size, and reading and writing difficulties, including dyslexia. After navigating the complexities of this conversation, Susan ends the episode by sharing her unique insights and takeaways from her time with Dr. Kim.
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Quotes:
“Lower order skills are necessary for higher order skills; that means skills and knowledge have a series of causal effects. So if you flip it the other way, any challenges or weaknesses in lower order skills, it's going to have a series of impacts on higher order skills.” —Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.
“Theory is an explanation about how things work. …It's a structured framework, a mental framework, that helps us explain, and predict, and understand phenomena.” —Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.
“If an educator goes to a professional development and learns about something like phoneme awareness…but you don't have a framework in which to attach it, you can sort of go down a rabbit trail on one thing instead of thinking about how it relates to the whole.” —Susan Lambert
Episode timestamps* 03:00 Introduction: Who is Young-Suk Grace Kim? 05:00: Defining a theoretical model 07:00 Origins of Young-Suk’s model 08:00 Interactive Dynamic Literacy Model Overview 14:00 Why interactive and why dynamic 15:00 Hierarchical relations between low order skills and high order skills 18:00 Breaking down “Interactive” 19:00 Young-Suk’s ideal classroom 20:00 Breaking down “Dynamic” 21:00 Linguistic grain size 22:00 Why linguistic grain size matters for teachers 26:00 Why word reading and spelling are more strongly related than reading comprehension and writing composition 29:00 Dynamic relationship of developmental phases 30:00 Measuring reading and writing 33:00 Interactive Dynamic Literacy Model summarized 35:00 Understanding reading and writing difficulty, including dyslexia 42:00 Dr. Kim’s Final Thoughts 44:00 Susan’s takeaways from the conversation *Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute
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