In this episode I was excited to speak with Rutger Bregman, author of the bestselling books Utopia for Realists and Humankind, and occasional provoker of billionaires at Davos. He’s been described as the Dutch wunderkind of new ideas, and writes regularly for the online journal The Correspondent.
We talked about how most people are pretty decent, but power corrupts. So what we assume about other people is what we get out of them, human nature is shaped by peer pressure, and what makes us cooperate can rip into tribalism. And we also explored how some of these ideas apply to the current crises we are living through today.
So I started out by asking him, why did you feel the need to write a book that reframe human nature through a more hopeful history? Enjoy.