Jason is joined by Gustavo Franco, Senior Engineering Manager at VMWare, to chat about chaos in the Gustavo’s early days. Gustavo reflects on Googles early disaster recovery practices, to the contemporary SRE movement. Gustavo’s work at VMWare has him focusing on building reliability as a product feature, and how the new VMware Tanzu Reliability Engineering Organization, is changing up the SRE game via doing some “horizontal work” across the reliability spectrum. Gustavo divulges some details on how exactly that horizontal is being done with security, in which he has an extensive history, and others!

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