In this pod Society Editor Michael Piggott chats to the founder of Dark Horses and co-founder of Home Run, Simon Dent, and founder of Take Flight and co-founder of Home Run, Mark Whittle.

We discussed leadership, bravery, the creative process, learning from and embracing failure, mental health, career reinvention, launching products as an agency and supporting CALM Campaign Against Living Miserably.

PS We apologise for the sirens that happened a couple of times during this podcast. We forgot to close the window in the pod booth!

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