Student loan debt is good, and credit card debt is bad… right? Well not so fast. What if an undergrad drops out halfway through school with no degree to show for it, and the credit card spender uses their card to pay for a car repair, which in turn allows them to keep their job? It’s not always a clear-cut answer! But with student loan repayments firing back up, we felt it was a good time to question whether student loans are even necessary at all. And we’re excited to talk with a friend of ours, Jason Brown, about how more folks should pursue a debt-free degree. Jason has firsthand experience having earned not only one, but two debt-free degrees and we discuss how you or your kids can do it as well. We discuss the changing value proposition of college, working multiple jobs, scholarship, employer education benefits, eschewing expensive dream schools, dual enrollment, and more!


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