We’re joined at the end of 2020 by Ben Hobbs, Special Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy at the White House. Ben talks his roots in Ohio (including his first business selling chicken eggs), solutions to eliminating poverty that go beyond government programs, and America’s eternal ability to resiliently recover from difficult times – even a pandemic. Plus, Sarah declines to share her number one song from 2020, and Laura manages once again to make aliens a focal point of the conversation. Joyfully recorded in-person at Podcast Village! Subscribe to the show and rate it wherever you listen. You can email us at [email protected] and follow the show on Twitter at @HousingPodcast. Thanks for listening!

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