John Prendergast, former adjunct professor of psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies, joins Lucas Perry for a discussion about the experience and effects of ego-identification, how to shift to new levels of identity, the nature of non-dual awareness, and the potential relationship between waking up and collective human problems. This is not an FLI Podcast, but a special release where Lucas shares a direction he feels has an important relationship with AI alignment and existential risk issues.

Topics discussed in this episode include:

-The experience of egocentricity and ego-identification

-Waking up into heart awareness

-The movement towards and qualities of non-dual consciousness

-The ways in which the condition of our minds collectively affect the world

-How waking up may be relevant to the creation of AGI

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0:00 Intro

7:10 The modern human condition

9:29 What egocentricity and ego-identification are

15:38 Moving beyond the experience of self

17:38 The origins and structure of self

20:25 A pointing out instruction for noticing ego-identification and waking up out of it

24:34 A pointing out instruction for abiding in heart-mind or heart awareness

28:53 The qualities of and moving into heart awareness and pure awareness

33:48 An explanation of non-dual awareness

40:50 Exploring the relationship between awareness, belief, and action

46:25 Growing up and improving the egoic structure

48:29 Waking up as recognizing true nature

51:04 Exploring awareness as primitive and primary

53:56 John's dream of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

57:57 The use and value of conceptual thought and the mind

1:00:57 The epistemics of heart-mind and the conceptual mind as we shift levels of identity

1:17:46 A pointing out instruction for inquiring into core beliefs

1:27:28 The universal heart, qualities of awakening, and the ethical implications of such shifts

1:31:38 Wisdom, waking up, and growing up for the transgenerational issues of the 21st century

1:38:44 Waking up and its applicability to the creation of AGI

1:43:25 Where to find, follow, and reach out to John

1:45:56 Outro

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